there is michelle who was a high-ranking official in the defense department who has been on this list. >> she was a foreign policy adviser to the campaign. >> exactly. and she wasn't the defense department before then. her name could potentially rise. i've been told that hagel has met with the president, the vice president and he's a a favorite of the vice presidents for that job. >> and a solid guy. >> and a solid guy. >> you think that's a problem? >> i think one thing that is going to come out of this, again, it's going to be a drumbeat, more liberal coalition about sheila bair as secretary treasury and house democratic caucus for the first time ever is going to be a majority of women and minorities and to have a cabinet that is completely that is difficult or not completely difficult. >> there are cabinet positions and names that have been mentioned is christine greg goir possibly for transportation, maybe jennifer granholm. >> there are names. >> and treasury also. >> national security, international economics and world trade, that's a big deal. >> yes and that's a real problem f